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Quite an imperfect plan isn't it ?

Annsan_In_Him - I like how christians like you use metaphors and parralels to reality to explain inconsistencies. "He anticipated their rebellion" - Really ? By putting the tree right at their disposal + the snake? Good anticipation.

stupid idiot - God is quite an A_hole isn't it ?

Alex, if you think of Heaven as "an exclusive club", does that mean you want to be excluded (or included)? Give me a better rationale of what you would have done if you were God, to "fix the problem" of original sin (which I happen to not believe in). Also, you mentioned "the known universe". Would you happen to be of the opinion that just maybe there are other universes within or outside of the galaxy that also contain people? I used to ask that question in Sunday school as a child, along with questions such as "If Satan was an angel, what made him turn bad?" and the teacher would nearly have a fit of apoplexy. Needless to say, I was not the most populr child in the class. Maybe you're a fellow agnostic??

Don't get me wrong, i hate him for what he has done to us, but this is the gist of it.

He will save all of humanity. He is forcing the knowledge of evil on us, this knowledge is later used to do, want, understand, and appreciate the good that we will have.

It will be the opposite in principle of all of this.

The whole "sacrifice" that jesus made was not a sacrifice as in he paid for someone elses crimes or died in someones place, he gave something up or did something un-desirable to accomplish something, he "died for our sins" it says. He simply became a man as a part of accomplishing what he has planned, which is ultimately a good life for all and total removal of sins.

He didn't "die to pay for our sins", but became mortal as a part of total removal of our sins, making us good, naturally if you were going to do what he is doing you'd have to make an appearance at some point right.?

And i really want to be clear here, i fuqing hate him for what he has done to us, although i don't think that it would have been different if done in any other way in principle, but gadam i hate him.

yea its the best and only solution

like you could do better!!

god declares fools chose not understand on purpose

Proverbs 1:7

Knowledge begins with fear and respect for the Lord, but stubborn fools hate wisdom and refuse to learn.

Proverbs 1:22

“Fools, how long will you love being ignorant? How long will you make fun of wisdom? How long will you hate knowledge?

What - again? You've asked this and similar questions before. Don't you read the answers from Christians? This has been answered time and again. Seriously!

Ah well, for the umpteenth time...

A parent say of his baby, "What a perfect baby! Pity she'll be throwing tantrums and saying 'No' to everything in two years time. I'll still love her nevertheless" That parent is responsible for that baby but despite every effort to prevent it throwing tantrums, it will happen.

All humans will sin, sooner or later. It's our default setting. And we are at fault, not God. He set us 'right' but we disobeyed the Maker's instructions and got ourselves into a mess.

Parents stick with their children, knowing how they need to grow up and be loved. God sticks with His children, knowing they need to grow up and be saved, in love. He anticipated their rebellion and did everything necessary to ensure that would not keep them all out of Heaven. It's just that some of His children take longer to grow up than others. You can stop stamping your feet now. AIH

There is nothing exclusive in the kingdom of God. It is open to all who would enthrone God as the king of all beings throughout the universe.

Seriously... it is about freewill and the responsibility for our choices and decisions.

We have freewill for one reason... to love, God and others.

Love, to be love, must be given of our own free will.

If it is demanded or forced, it is only obedience.

The consequences of our choices and decisions also require justice for wrongdoing...

both for our own and for what others do to us because of their lack of love or caring.

God is love, and it is because of that love He is all about justice and righteousness.

Seriously. Factually. 'Your god' comments, does not change the fact that He is "YOUR GOD" . Painting the roses red, does not mean they are not white, does not make them red. Denial of YOUR creator God, does not change the fact that He is the Final Say and Final Judge of All, including ME.

From your post it sounds like you are referencing the Trinity. The Trinity is not a biblical teaching. In fact, the Trinity's origins are entirely pagan. Nothing to do with Christianity. But sadly most Christians have adopted this viewpoint, rather than researching the bible to find the truth. Egyptian theologians promoted the idea of God, and his son, and holy ghost as one and Christians adopted this view as acceptable. But as you pointed out, it makes God look as if something is wrong with his way of doing things.

In fact, WHY, for thousands of years, did none of God’s prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the latest, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the “central doctrine” of faith? I've done the research and cannot find any supporting information that says God and Jesus are one. And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

Never did Jesus claim to be almighty God himself. Any impartial reading of the Bible without preconceived ideas about the Trinity will verify that. For example, at John 3:16, Jesus said: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son.” Just two verses later, Jesus again said that he was “the only-begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18) When the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, he answered: “Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?” (John 10:36) Jesus did not say that he was ‘God the Son’ but that he was “God’s Son.”

When Jesus died, even the Roman soldiers standing by knew that Jesus was not God: “The army officer and those with him watching over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things happening, grew very much afraid, saying: ‘Certainly this was God’s Son.’” (Matthew 27:54) They did not say, ‘this was God’ or ‘this was God the Son,’ because Jesus and his disciples taught that Jesus was the Son of God, not God Almighty in human form.

God himself testified that Jesus was his beloved Son, as the Bible writer Matthew noted when Jesus was baptized. (Matthew 3:17) Other Bible writers noted the same. Mark wrote: “A voice came out of the heavens: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Mark 1:11) Luke said: “A voice came out of heaven: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’” (Luke 3:22) And John the Baptizer, who baptized Jesus, testified: “I have borne witness that this one [Jesus] is the Son of God.” (John 1:34) So God himself, all four Gospel writers, and John the Baptizer clearly state that Jesus was the Son of God.

And some time later, at the transfiguration of Jesus, a similar thing happened: “A voice [God’s] came out of the cloud, saying: ‘This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.’”—Luke 9:35.

In these accounts, was God saying that he was his own son, that he sent himself, and that he approved himself? No, God the Father, the Creator, was saying that he had sent his Son Jesus, a separate individual, to do God’s work. Hence, throughout the Greek Scriptures the phrase “Son of God” is used to refer to Jesus. But not once do we see the phrase ‘God the Son,’ for Jesus was not almighty God. He was the Son of God. They are two different persons, and no theological “mystery” can change that truth.

The churches often cite John 10:30 to try to support the Trinity, although no mention is made of any third person in that verse. There Jesus said: “I and the Father are one.” But did Jesus mean that he was God Almighty himself, just in a different form? No, that could not be since Jesus always said that he was God’s Son, inferior to Him and in subjection to Him.

What, then, did Jesus mean at John 10:30?

Jesus meant that he was one in thought and purpose with his Father. This can be seen at John 17:21, 22, where Jesus prayed to God that his disciples “may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us . . . that they may be one just as we are one.” Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become one person? No, he was praying that they would be in unity, of the same mind and purpose, just as Jesus and God were.

The same idea is expressed at 1 Corinthians 1:10, where Paul states that Christians ‘should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among them, but that they should be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.’ So when Jesus said that he and his Father were one, he did not mean that they were the same person, just as when he said that his disciples should become one he did not mean that they were the same person.

This is just some of the research I've done on the matter. Again, the Trinity is such an unreasonable teaching, that I cannot even begin to base its teaching on my relationship with God. The Trinity was adopted in the fourth century by Christendom... But as in all things we all have to make a decision based on the facts. Religious leaders like to say the Trinity is a "mystery" because they don't even understand it. It certainly makes God look like he does not care, but now that I know God and his son are not the same person, and where the Trinity originated, i'm happier.

Your god created this system

no

sorry

you are wrong

read gen 1,27