I am jewish,
and I just had a conversation with a christian friend and it started me thinking.
the 10 commandments were given by the same god. those are the SAME 10 commandments. how come we understand them so differently? so either jews or christians or both, don't "follow the rules" like they're suppose to?
some examples:
1. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..."
[Jewish: no pictures of god, and no Pagan ritualistic artifacts. (we have no pictures at all, no symbols and no artifacts (cross))]
[Christians: have full blown pictures of both jesus and god, they have the cross as a holy symbol, etc. christians can kneel to a statue or picture of jesus]
2."Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain".
[Jewish: (vain: without real significance, value, or importance;) you are not allowed to say god's name ever (cause when is it not in vain?).
[Christian: you should not say god's name in a negative context.]
3."Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy...But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work..."
[Jewish: on the seventh day, you do not do any labor or work (so also no cooking, no mowing the lawn, not re-stringing the guitar... )]
[Christian: just do whatever but come to church for the service...]
how do you bridge those differences? is one religion just plain "wrong"?
if so, how do you know you got it right?
and if there is not right or wrong, why even have this thing called "Judaism" or "Christianity" if you can just have you own understanding of the text? why is it a worse guess then others?
btw, I wasn't familiar with the english version of the text before today but as a kid in school we read the bible in its original language (hebrew) and sometimes I feel some meanings were lost in translation.
I am not a troll, and very much curious to see answers. this is not an anti-religion/Judaism/christianity thing. it is a real question
Update:to the guy who said: "The 10 commandments were given to the Jews. Non-Jews aren't expected to adhere to the 10 commandments."
jesus was jewish, as I understand his religious ideology is a branch of judaism. he did follow all the jewish rules.
Update 3:I did not include Islam just because I do not know much about it but it doesn't mean this debate does not apply to the same controversy
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Welcome to the debate that has been going on for nearly 2000 years.
What both sides of all this fail to do is to take God's Word at face value; No one is to add to it, or take away from it.
The religion you follow today is not the religion of ancient Israel. It is the religion of the Rabbis, and is a collection of laws found in that covenant God made with Israel. Understand this; it was a "covenant" law where every item; every "law" had to be complied with, or the entirety was violated. If you make a "covenant" with a finance company for the purchase of a car, you have to make every payment in order to receive clear title to the car. You can't make all but one payment and say to the finance company, "that should be enough". Likewise that covenant God made with Israel, which includes 613 points of law, including laws centering on the temple (sacrifices and Holy Days).
God divorced Israel. That covenant went into abeyance. What you "keep" today is something where you have drastically altered the Word of God contrary to the express instructions of God.
So you keep the "ten commandments" (words). So you "keep" the sabbath. How is it you believe this garners any favor with God? Instead of looking to the legalities of the law, you should be looking to the example of Abraham and righteousness through faith as attested to "in the law". But your religious leaders, like a magician, distracted you from what is really important through their theological sleight of hand.
Christians who attempt to keep the ten in whatever manner, make the same mistake, thinking righteousness is somehow associated with keeping points of law cherry picked from that covenant law.
Consider: One outside of Israel, according to the law, could not keep the Passover. If they happened to return to Israel soon after the Passover, they could participate in another Passover a month later. What then makes you think you can keep any religious Holy Day while outside of Israel, including the sabbath? That covenant was all in relation to the land. If they kept the law, they were to be blessed and remain in the land of their inheritance. Should they violate the covenant, they were to be driven from the land, and that is what happened.
You just don't get it. The law will always condemn you. Look to Abraham, and not the law.
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The best way to "bridge" differences is to recognise that Judaism and Christianity are very much different religions, with different theological philosophies and different conceptions of the whole nature of the universe --
and therefore both should be aware of the difference and respectful of each other.
As long as you keep asking "which one is right" - you will have conflict and therefore prevent respect and bridging of difference.
Pro-Jewish Christians see it in the way the late Pope John Paul II do - "Judaism is a pre-existing, independent, and continuing covenant with God which does not require the intervention of Jesus"
And Jews simply say -- "any non-Jew who follows the seven mizvot of Noah is a righteous child of Noah -- any good Christians follow these laws -- and therefore are righteous people"
Note - I assume that you were in a non-Orthodox school?
Judaism does not have 10 commandments. There are 10 utterances that summarize the Jewish 613 commandments.
You've got some very good questions here, but it's going to be difficult to get the answers you're looking for on the internet. The best way to get the answers you want is to a) start conversations with people educated about both religions and b) research it on your own.
Choosing the "right religion" is not something you can do overnight. You have to ask yourself a lot of hard questions and do a lot of tough research. However, it is worth it. If you are trying to decide between Judaism or Christianity, then there is only one real question: Do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah?
Within both Judaism and Christianity there are multiple viewpoints on nearly every aspect of religion. In your breakdown of Jewish/Christian beliefs about the 10 Commandments you made some sweeping generalizations (which isn't your fault - there are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christian when they have not read the Bible). Not all Christians believe in doing "whatever but coming to the service"; Christians who do believe that have probably never read the bible. The same applies to the Laws about taking God's name in vain and graven images. You have to remember that "Christianity" includes Catholics, the Amish, Baptists, and many other belief systems.
The only thing that connects all Christians is that they believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah. So to decide whether you believe in Judaism or Christianity, you only need to decide what you believe about Jesus.
I don't know if there is a "right religion". There is, however, only one truth. Religions are our attempts at figuring out the truth. Religious people believe that God gave us hints, or even sometimes spoke to us directly. So who do you believe was honest about their interactions with God? Do you believe that Jesus was honest about who he was, based off of the evidence? I hope you find what you are looking for. I hope that you don't let the mess of misinformation about religion wear you down. It's a long journey figuring that stuff out.
Bridging the gap between related religions is a very difficult thing as is trying to figure out which religion is "right". For example, it seems fairly clear that the Jews and Christians believe in the same god (but this is arguable) while very few believe that Allah is the same as God and Muslims insist that they are the same god. There simply is no objective way to demonstrate that the three beliefs have the same god or three different ones.
In this light, the early Christian leaders made exceptions for the Gentile believers, exempting from most of the Jewish laws. Of course, over time the intent of these exemptions and their meaning has become confused and open to a great deal of interpretation.
A different way to look at this is that in essence Jesus followed the Torah, but taught to follow the "spirit" of the law, rather than the "letter" of the law and his followers expanded on that. Islam, in contrast is a definite and unforgiving return to unthinking adherence to the letter of the law.
I suggest that you keep questioning and objectively evaluating not only other beliefs but your own as well. Try to come up with an objective method of determining the differences and similarities between various gods. It may seem strange, but a good first step would be to show objective (and not scriptural) evidence that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are not based on one of Loki's tricks. (and yes, I'm very serious about this.)
Think about it.
Simply most Jews accept evolution. Some Orthodox Jews interpret Torah a little more actually, so that they interpret that our our bodies advanced however human souls have been uniquely created on the time that humans got here into being. Or that the 6 days of production are only which means six stages of creation, because the Hebrew phrase will also be interpreted that means, so the accelerated time interval of evolutionary approach is sensible but had G-d's hand in guiding it, making it happen. Or another interpretation. Very Very not often do they ignore scientific proof & make no effort to suit it into their graphics. The relaxation of Orthodox & all of the different branches or actions of Judaism don't have any difficulty with evolution & could not be known as creationists in anyway in any respect. Come to feel of it, most Christians receive evolutionary science as well. My guess on Muslims based on my readings, are that much less religious secular ones haven't any limitation with evolutionary science. The devout ones strattle each worlds, & the nuttier ones most undoubtedly suppose anything like creationism (together with that harming civilians is k, which happens to violate Islam but they faux it does not.) That although i will depart to others to reply.
I understand you and your confusion. I've been there. Well, Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah of the world and they call him the "Lord Jesus Christ". Jews don't. Jews follow dietary laws, celebrate sabbath, have 5 books in their Torah, and of course, celebrate different holidays because of the whole Jesus thing. For example:
CHRISTmas: supposed to celebrate the birth of Jesus.
Easter: supposed to remember when Jesus supposedly rose from the dead.
And much more.
I hope this answered your question
Jewish answer: who had the commandments first? Who has an UNCHANGING Torah? How do you bridge it? You don't discuss religion except in general and resist any attempts to be converted. Both religions lead to Gd but are incompatible with each other
compare the three
JUDAISM/ISLAM - says that no human can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind
JUDAISM/ISLAM - says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - some say that all humans are born with 'original sin'.
JUDAISM - a “virgin birth”/offspring w/human women is a pagan myth mainstay – G-d doesn’t become human
CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM (incl. ‘messianics’) - says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin
JUDAISM - says that the Jewish Messiah won’t need a 'second coming'
CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM (incl. ‘messianics’) - says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'
JUDAISM/ISLAM - says that every human should speak directly to G-d
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to G-d is via him and often pray to Jesus before G-d
JUDAISM/ISLAM - says G-d is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - some sects speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
JUDAISM - says that we are ALL equally G-d's children
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others
ISLAM - some Muslims claim that the prophets are perfect and have never sinned, others believe the prophets sinned and repented
JUDAISM - has no concept of 'hell'
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - *some* Christians believe non-believers go to 'hell'
ISLAM - most Jews and Christians and all non-Jews/non-Christians go to hell though some state that only Allah knows who will end up in hell
JUDAISM - has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under G-d's control
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel
ISLAM - Satan was a jinn created from fire
JUDAISM - the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he 'returns'
ISLAM - believes Jesus was a prophet, not a “son of G-d”. Mohammad is the last prophet
JUDAISM - says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of eden'.
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven
ISLAM - some Jews and Christians will reach Paradise, Muslims reach paradise and have it better than Jews and Christians. Many Muslims believe that G-d judges all equally.
JUDAISM - The “law”/covenant is seen as a blessing, not a burden that can never be fulfilled. Being perfect isn’t the point in Judaism. Being aware of the 613 commandments, we have G-d on our minds almost hourly. That is part of the covenant, we obey G-d’s laws and G-d ensures Judaism will survive forever.
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - Views the commandments as restrictive and impossible (except the 10 in stone). It is believed in Christianity that the death of Jesus was necessary because living by the laws is impossible and view the commandments as something of a curse.
ISLAM - Views religious laws as part of the religion and of being observant and submissive to G-d, much as Jews do.
JUDAISM - forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity
ISLAM - all must convert to Islam or pay a fine to remain Christian or Jewish and live as 2nd class citizens (all others must convert or die)
JUDAISM - The Torah remains unchanged
CHRISTIANITY (incl. ‘messianics’) - differences from the original Torah
ISLAM - claims the Torah and Christian bible were corrupted (with no proof)
JUDAISM/ISLAM - no concept of original sin
CHRISTIANITY incl. ‘messianics’) - some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.
Thanks to MP with some twists by QP and me
These religions came from the same period and part of the world. So did The Muslim religion.
Aside from the differences you noted above there are some very basic main differences.
1/ Jewish and Muslim folks have Jesus as a Prohet only. Not the son of God.
2/ Everyone has Mohammad but the Muslim folks follow his word as the one who God spoke through. But, not the son of God. For them Mohammad is the one to follow both religiously and socially ( through Sunnah)
3/ Christians believe Jesus was the son of God AND God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one)
The 10 commandments were given to the Jews. Non-Jews aren't expected to adhere to the 10 commandments.
There is no such thing as the right religion.
Everyone has their own Truth.